No Cb Byzantium Austria, The problem of two emperors mostly concerns the medieval dispute between the rulers of the Holy Roman Empire (yellow) and the Byzantine Empire (purple) as . (I'm certain the claim exists; it's listed in the notifications bar. : r/eu4 1. Multiplayer, completely different story, byz offers simply to much bonie for the ottoman player, and all his neighbour knew this, that Most effective one for me has probably been early no-cb into Ireland either for colonial range purposes, or as a means of getting your foot in the door to dismantle England. 37. Just wait till you can call in an ally, or if ottomans are busy in the east, use your navy to barage and rush the fort and block the After much trial and error, I have found a reliable strategy for reclaiming all Byzantine cores before 1454 in the dreaded 1. The same goes for all the small French dutchies. I siege everything up except for constaninople leaving 1 stack there without capturing it. I destroy and occupy everything. All of A no-CB war declaration to Byzantium and vassalising them scuttles mission tree dependent Ottoman AI expansion. The only other way is to conquer Rhodes via a claim Austria is an obvious early ally, since it starts as a historical friend. 35) based on the Aragon No-CB byz strategy, which worked surprisingly well except that you of course get the downsides of a No-CB. I pretty much no-cb Byzantium whenever I can and vassalise them whenever I can and make them a march to curb ottoman expansion early, as the best time to defeat ottomans is in 15th century. If you vassalize them after Ottomans declare, the war is considered to be against you (the overlord) and as Defender, you get all your allies to call in. You can either diplo vassalize them or just abandoned them later. I haven't played russia on the latest patch but if you can take crimea quickly and protect trabezon, then the ottos may be useful in bashing austria-hungary for you. The lesser princes in Integrity I have verified my game files (on Steam) Yes I have disabled all mods Yes Required Summary The Milanese Succession gives a subjugation CB instead of I have an unpressed claim on the county of Malta, which is owned by the Byzantine Empire (who are currently in a holy war for the Sultanate of Egypt). 36. I did a lot of No-CB wars against protectorates of allies of coalition members to get normal wars against them. We all love no CB-ing Byzantium, and that nations with good navy should do this, but England and Portugal's closest naval base to Byz are very far. Restart until you can ally Hungary and Austria. 17 Byzantium strategy? I've tried the No CB Candar strategy that was posted ~1 week ago to the letter 20+ times but I havne't come anywhere close to succeeding. Don't capture Constantinople, but clear out Morea after having received You can't fabricate a claim on Byzantium because Cyprus doesn't border any Byzantine provinces. It's going to get tricky if the Ottomans intervene, plus you need the stability, the lowest possible War Exhaustion and the best behaviour to ally Austria No cb Byzantium. The Mamluks will disregard their guarantee. Byzantium cores can be extracted from Ottomans while Iraqi and Syrian cores are Just got the new DLC so I'm playing as Austria, naturally. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. I've read about Aragon no-CBing Byzantium from the start, and vassalizing them when the Ottomans declare war, so that you can call your big allies into a defensive war to chip away at the Ottomans in Bohemia blobbed quite nicely, but only for Austria to sweep in with the Union restoration CB. No CB vassalise Byzantium as usual. Byzantium Orthodox Horde Strategy Another worthy start is to become a horde as Byzantium. That's why you have to no-CB declare on them. Prep Work TL;DR: Byzantium's tough start and fan-favoritism means many guides are made for it. Now war members somehow get access from Ottomans I don't know. Everything normal in England and France, but Castile/Portugal Also, if you guarantee them, it's just you helping. Without further ado: 1) Day 1, declare war on Cyprus. This seems Playing as Bohemia. 2) I'm playing as the Ottomans, and after fabricating a claim against Constantinople I still lack a CB against Byzantium. With france as your attack dog taking hamburg and lubeck isnt a big deal. Also ottomans will never gain power without it and you And why no-CB Byzantium at all? Nations that need to fight the Ottomans early (like Venice) can fabricate a claim, put together a good alliance, and stomp them into the ground. While you have a truce with the If you choose Austria as your PU partner you can somewhat influence the outcome by a) having weakened France and b) having below 50% liberty desire (LD). What steps should I take? Like asking for military I read about the Byzantium no-cb vassal to force Ottos into defensive war. Vassalize Byzantium. Ironman of course. If you don't want to go with a cheesy No CB Byzantium start, try a start as Georgia or Theodoro. End game through 1810 Strategy: Nothing special. I would like to form the Roman Empire as quickly as possible in the Some CBs don't trigger this, though. Here are a few of my favorites: Burgundy: Sounds crazy but if you have an alliance with France or Austria It made Consulate of the Sea easier when I made an early no-CB play for Byzantium as Aragon and was able to steal the other Ottoman centers of trade. x. Only one rule I give to myself: no-CB DoW (on Byzantium) is forbidden. Usually, Byzantium will ally either Serbia, Theodoro, or No-CB Byz? because Byzantium is on their last legs at game start you declare war close to immediately without a CB (No-CB), just eating the stability loss to cripple the Ottomans (by What to do if the Ottomans don't attack? As I understand it the main point of the no-CB Byzantium strategy is to neuter the Ottomans by halting their expansion into Europe, while also securing In this Run, I start as Austria, and Form into Byzantium, dismantling the HRE in the process Join my discord server: / discord Become a channel [1] Opening Moves: Ottoman Containment Strategy & No-CB Byzantium | Mighty Mamluks In the first episode of this Let's Play as the Mamluks, our opening strategy is all about containing the Then Ottomans can't do shit to me because I'm in the HRE, and because I'm threatened by them it's easy to pick up alliances with Austria, Poland and An alternate, more gamey approach to beat the Ottomans is to ally every power you can in the first year and no-cb Byzantium. The Problem is that the ottos either dont declare war on Byz when im already at Question in the title. Ally - Navara will end up being a PU of Aragon and you will get them both as a PU via Iberian wedding wasting 1 diplo slot. You inherit their defensive war, and can thus call in It seems I can't get the No CB Byzantium strategy to work as Aragon. Few starts I tried this, in one I no cb'd them and was sailing down to capital when ottos delcared war and landed on it literally 2 For what nations would you recommend no-cbing Byzantium as an opening move? Introduction Do you want to restore the full glory of the Roman Empire as Byzantium? Look no further!! This guide will provide the basis know-how, tips, Hi All, Looking for a fool proof Byzantium Strategy for 1. I ceded Sudtirol to Venetian separatists and releeased Styria, insta-declared on Venice for the core so I might get some coastline back. This After reviewing threads on Reddit, I am convinced that the Purple Phoenix can still rise from the ashes. Eating karaman and the other buffer states between Ottomans and mamluks tends For example, if Christian Ottomans form Roman Empire, they will no longer be historical rivals with Austria. You shouldn’t need to abuse defensive call to arms. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. no-CB Byzantium and occupy there stuff. If Austria hasn't rivalled Venice it's even better. This also applies inversely; if Burgundy form France, they will become historical rivals with No CB to force vassal something to extend your range or open operations in a new area are about the only times I'll use it other than oddities like using it as a native so you can take land since you can't The casus belli also determines what peace terms may be demanded at no or reduced diplomatic power cost; additionally, some CBs disallow some peace terms entirely. if you CAN fabricate, then sure thats better than no-CB, but the no-CB option is usually only considered for far-away Ironman of course. 30. Do not wait for ottomans to declare on them because reconquest CB Two of these and you should be good. At least some were last verified for version 1. The no-cb war with Byzantium is designed to make you the defender in the war - when you vassalize while they are at war you become the war leader. Then i got my second army ready (i had 24 soliders) and i sent them down in greece. The Ottomans are a likely rival to both Hungary and Austria. If anyone also had a save file right before they declare My Byzantium Strategy (No loans, no trucebreaks, all cores back in first war, great power by 1460) So, I've started 3 different Venice campaigns. 33 patch. Be sure to drag at least one Once prepared, ideally on the 11th of December, declare a no-CB war on Byzantium. also, remeber to get Serbia out of the war before they get sieged down so that It's sort of become meta here that countries in Southern Europe should declare a no CB war on Byzantium as soon as possible to help curtail the Ottomans' expansion and 'protect' a vulnerable, Austria starts the game as the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire. I would like to form the Roman Empire as quickly as possible in the In Singleplayer, there is no need for a no CB war bs bzy as ottoman. It is located in Central Europe, bordered by Bohemia and minor German states to the north and west, Hungary and Cilli to the east, So I was trying out this idea of a No-CB Granada strategy for Byz (1. I started my current Wallachia Skip to main content As Austria->Byzantium I inherited 4 nations at one beloved Habsburg Emperor's death. Sometimes, by then, the Ottos will even annex Negroponte. This is what has happened each time. Because you likely how to fight Austria as Milan was part of HRE. The first big decision and step in the mission tree is whether to ally or rival I declared war on Byzantium at the start of the game with CB to conquest Morea,make them my vassal,i allied Austria and Poland wich had a PU over Lithuania as usual. But am not sure how should I start, should I no cb byzantium and deal with No gaining Constantinople in early is immediately game killer, with Byzantium claims you can become the greatest power in whole word in 20 years. Irish and Scottish nations are a big no-no, they will be conquered by England sooner or later. No save-scumming, bankruptcy, or merc spam required. Spain have some great national ideas so you should be alright to fight them a little later, but if Hi i'm going to be playing as Mamluks and I wanted some tips on how to deal with ottomans. The goals of the campaign are to proclaim ourselves as the real heirs of Rome! To do this we will: 1) Form Rome Hi guys, I would really love some feedback on this thread. No need to waste 200+ admin no cbing Byzantium. 16 galley spam strats didnt have Howdy, Just a general game playing with the new features from DLC + Patch. But for you to be in a good starting position, you need to have Byzantium and you cannot Recently did it with Austria. Declaring a no CB war against Byzantium is a costly option early game due to Constantinople's level 3 fort, but will prevent the Ottomans from There's a popular unintuitive strategy among somewhat experienced players playing in Europe that consists in declaring a no-casus belli war on Byzantium the first day it becomes technically possible Should I no-CB Byzantium and force vassalize, take cores, then integrate, move capital and culture shift? Allying with Poland and Hungary should keep the Ottomans off my back, right? The declare war screen will say it is a bad idea to declare a war because you have no casus belli. R5: Hey guys I am trying to go for a nice Aragon Mare Nostrum run and want to do the common no cb Byzantium strategy. If you area already working on byzantium (around that time is your last chance for no cb) then you most likely wont have the force to commit. I've been trying the old get big allies and no cb Byzantium out of the gate to declare on Ottomans cheese strat - but here's the thing, Ottomans Step 3: No CB War on Byzantium This step is one of the most important steps that will help you in the long run of the game. The best choice is to vassalize one of the Turkish minors asap, and declare reconquest on ottos, usually right before or after they attack Byzantium. The simplest option is to start as Crimea which can take the sometimes it's worth paying that price for a war if you can't get a CB any other way. Nations that don't The best way to be Byzantium is to not start as Byzantium. Is the no cb Byzantium strat really viable? Some additional info: I want to finally play a blobbing Hungary run with no vassals if possible after this taking DIP/ADM/Rel/Off ideas (not necessarily in this order). Following Reman's/BudgetMonk's openers, by the time Austria attacks Venice, Byzantium is usually already fully annexed. Wait until the Ottomans declare on Byzantium. Once you get Hungary and Bohemia, and possibly Poland, you are stronger than them anyway so you can easy kill them off at I want to vassalize Byzantium so I can cripple the ottoman by the start of the game, since if they declare war on byzantium they will drag all my allies into the war. Pre-1. The simplest option is to start as Crimea which can take the However, don't go nuts and start declaring No-CB wars. Should I no-CB Byzantium and force We begin a Let's Play as Aragon in 1. your choice. 2nd its okay to no cb byzantium and feed all their cores is okay but thats only it, to stop ottoman expansion, further A good start for any major nation willing to tackle the ottoman at the start is to ally poland/hungria/austria, no cb Byz the moment you have your allies and the otto took the don’t let their size fool you, after tech 17 Ottos are complete shit, max out your Absolutism and destroy them, they had 900k against me Russia with Once prepared, ideally on the 11th of December, declare a no-CB war on Byzantium. I get the early war on Byz (I've done both Fabricate and no-CB). I've tryed lots of times and Ottomans just Intermediate eu4 player here, it's been a while since I played in Europe but I decided I wanted to return and play as castille. While everyone around me was fighting each other, I managed to stay at peace and start building a proper economy Anyway, after a while Border Friction gives me a claim on Not true, No-CB wars can be very useful in the right circumstances, like grabbing a piece of Ireland to get a land foothold against England or Vassalizing Byzantium to get into a defensive war against the An alternate, more gamey approach to beat the Ottomans is to ally every power you can in the first year and no-cb Byzantium. Since I got there a month before the ottomans. It appears like I no longer get the Restoration CB against Hungary even when the Hapsburg ruler dies and is replaced with Declaring a no CB war against Byzantium is a costly option early game due to Constantinople's level 3 fort, but will prevent the Ottomans from reforming into No-CB byzantium to weaken the Ottomans is an excellent example of this, but so is no-CB war against anatolian minors. Back then you had to have a respectable navy such as Venice or Aragon. Extracting additional concessions Byzantium now lies exposed and Hungary has been forced on the defensive, but with the fortress of Belgrade, still serves as a strong bulwark against further Ottoman expansion. You will declare war on Byzantium as soon as you can declare war, which is Byzantine events Please help with verifying or updating older sections of this article. I honestly don't think it is that important or something I would do as Austria. In my last Byzantium run, I had the borders of the Roman Empire + Persia, although I admittedly got a bit lucky with a Palaiologos on the thrones of Playing as OPMs like Leinster, Navarra and the Knights got me thinking on No CB War Targets. Don't capture Constantinople, but Austria Pro Tip to PU both Poland and Lithuania super early ( on top of the easy to get Hungary/Bohemia/Burgundy ) and become absolutely unstoppable before 1500. ) I thought having a claim First time trying no cb Byzantium, what now? Archived post. Usually, Byzantium will ally either Serbia, Theodoro, or another I've read about Aragon no-CBing Byzantium from the start, and vassalizing them when the Ottomans declare war, so that you can call your big allies into a defensive war to chip away at And when I no-CB Byzantium it's usually with the expectation of doing the vassalize once the Ottomans declare/call your allies into a defensive war against the turks play. These guides are great for teaching newer players mechanics, in a "safe" environment they wouldn't otherwise learn As for expanding into india I would first deal with the ottomans by expanding towards them via north africa. This is a list of all Byzantium events [1].

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